and i wonder if the message, reducing the debt and deficit, fixing the education system for the most vulnerable is the way he puts it. the way he talks about immigration, are those things that will resonate? >> i think jonathan's right. what the republican party used to stand for, when george h.w. bush was president, is something that the republican party doesn't seem to stand for for most americans anymore. what they seem to stand for today is being, you know, insensitive on immigration. and not being mindful of a woman's -- you know, women's rights and there are symbols that the republican party promotes, like, they say they're for education, but they want to abolish the department of education. and i think that makes it difficult for them to cut through. if eric cantor can do it, then it needs to be done. but i'm just -- i think that there are candidates out there every single cycle that get in the way of the republicans try to rebrand and they are back in this same position every two years. >> eric cantor is not alone, for sure, jonathan, your old boss, or i guess your boss, karl